In God we can't pray to
ESPN's Outside the Lines reported that a football coach quit his job because his school told him he wasn't allowed to iniciate prayers before, during or after games. Now the coach is fighting it. That's fine, that's what makes this country great. But then they had two "experts" argue opposing sides to this issue; both devoted christians and ministers, arguing different sides. And the one that argued to allow the coach to start the prayers really struck a cord with me. He said that "If we take God out of this country, we'll lose it", "If the law says we can't pray to God in school then we should change the law", and "The kids need to be guided and shown God." Now, I paraphrased some of it, but that's the basis of what he said.I'd like to address his points in reverse order.
"The kids need to be guided and shown God. There is only good and evil, and if God is good then we need ot show the kids that." In other words, we need to INDOCTRINATE kids into OUR religion before they can make up their own minds about what to believe in. Seriously disturbing, for starters, that this guy is practically preaching brainwashing young, impressionable teens into believing HIS religion. What does that say about HIS faith in his religion, that people have to be indoctrinated at a young age to believe in it? To me, it sounds like a reasonable adult who has the ability to critically analyze the facts would realize that every religion has gaping holes, and that NONE of them are correct. Thus, you need to snare them when they're young and can't analyze the facts and science disproving most modern religions.
"If the law says we can't pray to God in school then we need to change the law." Okay genius, the CONSTITUTION, the supreme law of the land, provides for the seperation of church and state. Since public schools are funded and run by the state, then they cannot promote any religions. The Founding Fathers, men much smarter and bolder than you, fanatical-christian-minister-guy, saw fit to include that little clause in the Constitution to PREVENT religion being forced on anyone, as had been done to their ancestors in England, which is why they left in the first place. There is a reason that the seperation of church and state was provided for in the Constitution, and if you don't like it then send your kids to a private school, but don't complain about YOUR particular religion being forced down other kids throats...how would you like it if we decided we would indoctrinate all public school children into Islam or Zaroastrianism instead of christianity? You wouldn't, which is why we wouldn't force anyone else's children into christianity.
"If we take God out of this country, then we'll lose it. We've had God with us here for the last 200 years." Way to stretch the truth. For starters, as I said before, one of the primary founding principles of the united states was that the church and the state would be seperate, that nobody would be forced into a particular religion like their ancestors were in Britain. So God is not provided for in the Constitution. Religion HAS infiltrated our public schools at times, which is a supreme misjudgement and needs to be corrected....the Constitution must be enforced, and it is very clear about where line between religion and the government is. We must enforce this, as well as every part of the constitution, or the foundation for our freedom and democracy will crumble away.
Religion, like anything, is a very scary thing when taken to the extreme. Forcing children into your religion is one of those lines that the Constitution clearly prohibits, and if we aren't following ONE clause of it, we might as well just throw the whole thing out. The primary idea behind our democracy is our right to choose, and be free from the choices of others; without the right to choose, we cannot truly be free, as the definition of freedom is having choices, having control of your life. By a government employee promoting a religion to impressionable young adults, he is denying those people the right to choose what religion, if any, to follow.
Here's a Thought...If your religion really is the correct one, and is perfect and flawless, then children shouldn't HAVE to be indoctrinated into it; they should realize that it is perfect once they've formed the ability to make independent, informed decisions. They fact that this reverend feels the need to brainwash children into his religion shows HIS lack of faith in the true rightousness of his religion and it's ability to make ADULTS see the light and truth supposedly behind it. The Founding Fathers were religious men themselves, yet they saw the need for seperating the church from the state. So I would say that those pushing for any kind of religion to be forced onto children should be ashamed, not only in their abuse of those children and how impressionable they are, as well as the fact that their overzealousness is covering their lack of true faith. Saying you have to indoctrinate kids into your religion while they're young is the same thing as saying once they're able to make decisions for themselves they'd realize your religion is full of crap and wouldn't subscribe, so we have to brainwash them while they're young. Shame on all of you.
"The kids need to be guided and shown God. There is only good and evil, and if God is good then we need ot show the kids that." In other words, we need to INDOCTRINATE kids into OUR religion before they can make up their own minds about what to believe in. Seriously disturbing, for starters, that this guy is practically preaching brainwashing young, impressionable teens into believing HIS religion. What does that say about HIS faith in his religion, that people have to be indoctrinated at a young age to believe in it? To me, it sounds like a reasonable adult who has the ability to critically analyze the facts would realize that every religion has gaping holes, and that NONE of them are correct. Thus, you need to snare them when they're young and can't analyze the facts and science disproving most modern religions.
"If the law says we can't pray to God in school then we need to change the law." Okay genius, the CONSTITUTION, the supreme law of the land, provides for the seperation of church and state. Since public schools are funded and run by the state, then they cannot promote any religions. The Founding Fathers, men much smarter and bolder than you, fanatical-christian-minister-guy, saw fit to include that little clause in the Constitution to PREVENT religion being forced on anyone, as had been done to their ancestors in England, which is why they left in the first place. There is a reason that the seperation of church and state was provided for in the Constitution, and if you don't like it then send your kids to a private school, but don't complain about YOUR particular religion being forced down other kids throats...how would you like it if we decided we would indoctrinate all public school children into Islam or Zaroastrianism instead of christianity? You wouldn't, which is why we wouldn't force anyone else's children into christianity.
"If we take God out of this country, then we'll lose it. We've had God with us here for the last 200 years." Way to stretch the truth. For starters, as I said before, one of the primary founding principles of the united states was that the church and the state would be seperate, that nobody would be forced into a particular religion like their ancestors were in Britain. So God is not provided for in the Constitution. Religion HAS infiltrated our public schools at times, which is a supreme misjudgement and needs to be corrected....the Constitution must be enforced, and it is very clear about where line between religion and the government is. We must enforce this, as well as every part of the constitution, or the foundation for our freedom and democracy will crumble away.
Religion, like anything, is a very scary thing when taken to the extreme. Forcing children into your religion is one of those lines that the Constitution clearly prohibits, and if we aren't following ONE clause of it, we might as well just throw the whole thing out. The primary idea behind our democracy is our right to choose, and be free from the choices of others; without the right to choose, we cannot truly be free, as the definition of freedom is having choices, having control of your life. By a government employee promoting a religion to impressionable young adults, he is denying those people the right to choose what religion, if any, to follow.
Here's a Thought...If your religion really is the correct one, and is perfect and flawless, then children shouldn't HAVE to be indoctrinated into it; they should realize that it is perfect once they've formed the ability to make independent, informed decisions. They fact that this reverend feels the need to brainwash children into his religion shows HIS lack of faith in the true rightousness of his religion and it's ability to make ADULTS see the light and truth supposedly behind it. The Founding Fathers were religious men themselves, yet they saw the need for seperating the church from the state. So I would say that those pushing for any kind of religion to be forced onto children should be ashamed, not only in their abuse of those children and how impressionable they are, as well as the fact that their overzealousness is covering their lack of true faith. Saying you have to indoctrinate kids into your religion while they're young is the same thing as saying once they're able to make decisions for themselves they'd realize your religion is full of crap and wouldn't subscribe, so we have to brainwash them while they're young. Shame on all of you.
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